Small Boat Bowsprit

[JSsailem]

She's a dirty girl, but with a little soap, water and new running rigging she'll be ready for a spring dip.

I've attached a couple of pictures to give a visual aide to my descriptions.

John

[wdscobie]

i suggest you go without the sprit. install a snatch block on the bow plate's forward 'large' hole. as you described before you can 'fly' the asym's tack from this block.

[JSsailem]

With the sail scheduled to arrive next week and possible nice weather I agree. The sprit is not yet ready and why waste a day of sailing.

Two questions:
Do you have insight on a reason for the three small holes in the bow plate? Certainly one is for the jib tack, and one for the stay.

Secondly why the two small blocks on the port side bow. Are they anchor, or furler blocks? They are currently unused in my sailing plan.

[wdscobie]

Do you have insight on a reason for the three small holes in the bow plate? Certainly one is for the jib tack, and one for the stay.

i believe that bow plate was an 'off the shelf' item. being that multiple holes will be there for use on many different boat types.

the custom Sage 17 bow plate has four - doesn't weaken the plate, makes it lighter (yes, not by a huge amount), and allows for 'possible future uses'.

Secondly why the two small blocks on the port side bow.

jib downhaul

[JSsailem]

Thanks Dave
Took some time looking at the Sage website. Very impressive. Helps to understand the insight you have into the features and functions of the Montgomery boats.

Reading the boat literature, it is clear Jerry liked a loose rig with a rake in the mast. A trailer crusier is by nature going to be a loose rigged craft. The challenge appears to be how loose and how much rake. Jerry's website stated new replacement stays are shorter so to induce rake.

I looked for a way to identify the boat is level ( ie. Carpenters level on the bottom of the keel while adjustimg the trailer tilt.) but there does not appear to be a spot on the boat that was engineered to be the balance/level point. Any ideas? If there is a spot that defines level than I can identify the amount of rake and set the side stays to that measurement. From there the sailing test at least starts from s point close to the goal. Changes should be minor.

Any ideas on this issue settimg the boat level to identify the mast rake? And how much rake is a good start?

[wdscobie]

Any ideas on this issue settimg the boat level to identify the mast rake?

the cockpit seats are 'flat'. you can set a level across the seats (port to starboard and then bow to stern) to level the boat.

FYI - the same for the M17 and Sage 17. Jerry did this so one can sleep in the cockpit.

And how much rake is a good start?

about two inches.

[Monies]

Dave Scobie, you never cease to amaze me! What great information from an expert whose expertise is like Russian to me, yet I understand exactly what you just explained!

Simplicity coupled with knowledge is a great gift.

Love, Jackie Monies- The Red Scamp

[JSsailem]

Glad I waited to locate the spinnaker hound.

Using the main halyard I raised the sail. I like the look of the sail. Elliott&Pattison did a nice job with the cloth stitching and cut.

Sail is within 12 inches of the mast head and about 6 inches still to hoist to get full length to the bow.

It came out a little bigger than expected. The sprit with it's planned 2 foot length will get the sail well clear of the forestay and give me a tack rope length of about 12 inches. Now the consideration is what will be the force on the standing rigging. Light winds should not be an issue.

What force can the mast and rigging handle? Size of the sail looks to be generating about 425 lbs based on sail size design formulas I have been reviewing.

Dave. Any experience with the rigging capacities. I've examined the wires and no cracks observed on the fittings and all wires are rust, bulge, and splinter free. The mast appears sound, only one 2 ft section appears to have lost it's annodized surface. Showing minimal oxidation. Wiped clean and waxed the section. Metal was sound.

[wdscobie]

there is a lot of strength in the rig. the 1/8" wire is the same as used on boat 10', and more, longer. the mast is also 'much larger than necessary'.

specifics on strength will need to come from Jerry. i can ask him if you like (he doesn't visit this forum).

example of how strong -



the mast was bent beyond fixing in the above, but the rig didn't come down!

[JSsailem]

I'd appreciate learning what Jerry thinks. I sent him an email on his web sale site where he is offering rigging materials for the Montgomery boats.

But no return answer as yet.